SAFCII or Diablo Tuner?

[SRTkid89]

Like the title says i was wondering which one would be better for me to use to tune my car?

[hondaeater]

both....diablo to get the car setup and then use the afc to fine tune...but if not use the diablo...you can control a lot more parameters with the diablo since its reflashing your pcm instead of fooling it like the afc

[oo3menace]

The Dsport allows for much more tunability in terms of its functionality as a hand held flash programmer. You can manipulate boost, spark (timing), and fuel among other things.

The AFC is simply an advanced electronic map clamp.

Do the math.

[Boostn]

SCT

[SRTkid89]

thanks guys :thumb:

[Frodo]

there would be no reason to have the afc if you have the diablo, diablo controls everything

[Boostn]

SCT

[Frodo]

SCT
sct is crap, diablo you can adjust yourself to a point

[Boostn]

SCT from agp have them tune it for life. I had it and loved it. No problems at all.

[Boostn]

SCT

[Frodo]

SCT from agp have them tune it for life. I had it and loved it. No problems at all.
until you lost to a s3 car and parted out a day later

[Evolution IX]

SCT XCAL 3

[slvrsrt4nj]

im having a hard time deciding between dsport and sct :rolleyes: both seem like good options for me. talked to agp about the sct and only read alittle on the dsport online. im also waiting for jay to release his newest invention :cool:

[Boostn]

until you lost to a s3 car and parted out a day later

i never lost to a stage 3 car

[Munky]

Dtec




































:fryparanoid:

[slvrsrt4nj]

:weee: ive heard nothing but bad things about safcs and dtec.

[SRT4Trb0]

i loved my dtec. so easy to adjust and i didn't have any problems with it.

but i say dsp or sct. read up on both products and come to a conclusion.

[slvrsrt4nj]

i loved my dtec. so easy to adjust and i didn't have any problems with it.

but i say dsp or sct. read up on both products and come to a conclusion.

thats where im stuck lol. dsports cheaper but i heard sct is better :weee: :dunno:

[MDRracing13]

dsp

[H.T. SRT]

i never lost to a stage 3 car

:rofl: :rofl:

[H.T. SRT]

Chippy just get the Diablo, read up on it a few months ago, when i was looking around. Get a canned tune for it with ur setup and ur Golden. :)

As far as my SAFC that u still havent put in just sell it, and put that $$ towards the DSP. :D

And no i dont need it. Lol

[SRTkid89]

Chippy just get the Diablo, read up on it a few months ago, when i was looking around. Get a canned tune for it with ur setup and ur Golden. :)
As far as my SAFC that u still havent put in just sell it, and put that $$ towards the DSP. :D
And no i dont need it. Lol
yea thats what im gonna do... ok lol

[SRT4Trb0]

AEM EMS

[SRTkid89]

yea i wish steve

[AntB]

yea i wish steve

Do it!!! Do it!!!

[boostedneon04]

aem or sct or dsp..those are the three i would pick but if your not doing a crazy set up go with sct or dsp..

[Boostn]

:rofl: :rofl:
oh please little boy

[Boostn]

I don't get why someone wouldn't do SCT from AGP. tell them your setup and they send you a map. load it look over your gauges during pulls write a email and tell him your timing,afr any knock and he adjusts it. Where are the negatives? Or you can get the xcal go to jannety racing in conn. and have him tune it on a dyno.

[Boostn]

BTW ht whos installing your stage 3 don't know why you can't since you seem to know what your doing. im pretty sure you where gunna pay steve to do it.

[slvrsrt4nj]

:ohsnap:

[H.T. SRT]

BTW ht whos installing your stage 3 don't know why you can't since you seem to know what your doing. im pretty sure you where gunna pay steve to do it.

I was asking him Questions. So STFU Skater Punk.

[H.T. SRT]

oh please little boy

Am pretty sure ur the Shorty.. Little Boy.. :D

[Boostn]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[slvrsrt4nj]

ok would u 2 girls zip it. so whats the upside/ down side to dsport and sct? i completely understand sct after talking to agp for an hour about it lol

[SRTkid89]

yea back on topic

[Frodo]

sct

+custom tunes through email
+tunes are lifetime, never have to pay for tune again
+ controllability of a standalone
+simplicity of use and setup
-cost $700
-does not allow for fine tuning by the user, have to get new tune through email if you want something adjusted

DSP
+cost $375
+simplicity of use and setup
+data logging
+user can fine tune parameters
+controllability of a standalone
-if you want a new tune you have to pay each time


feel free to add to my lists

[slvrsrt4nj]

thanks frodo.. what are you running on your s3d setup or ur still UNTUNED lol

[Evolution IX]

sct

+custom tunes through email
+tunes are lifetime, never have to pay for tune again
+ controllability of a standalone
+simplicity of use and setup
-cost $700
-does not allow for fine tuning by the user, have to get new tune through email if you want something adjusted

DSP
+cost $375
+simplicity of use and setup
+data logging
+user can fine tune parameters
+controllability of a standalone
-if you want a new tune you have to pay each time


feel free to add to my lists


SCT XCAL 3 is $379

http://www.lethalperformance.com/03-04-svt-cobra-computer-sct-c-16_244_3835/sct-xcalibrator-3-handheld-power-flash-device-free-shipping-p-15722

And what are you talking about does not allow fine tunes by the user. My Cobra was fine tuned by using the XCAL3. I did not use any of the tunes provided. My tuner deleted them all and loaded a stock tune on their and my current 93 tune.

[Boostn]

SCT XCAL 3 is $379
http://www.lethalperformance.com/03-04-svt-cobra-computer-sct-c-16_244_3835/sct-xcalibrator-3-handheld-power-flash-device-free-shipping-p-15722
And what are you talking about does not allow fine tunes by the user. My Cobra was fine tuned by using the XCAL3. I did not use any of the tunes provided. My tuner deleted them all and loaded a stock tune on their and my current 93 tune.

You do not tune through the xcal frank the xcal is used to load onto the vehicle after they are written on the sct program.

[Evolution IX]

You do not tune through the xcal frank the xcal is used to load onto the vehicle after they are written on the sct program.


I understand that. You tune through the laptop I was in the car when he did it. He then loaded it onto the tuner, plugged it into my car and loaded the tune.

But it still can be fine tuned.

[Boostn]

absolutely but not by someone who just purchased an xcal as it does not come with the software for tuning.

[Evolution IX]

absolutely but not by someone who just purchased an xcal as it does not come with the software for tuning.


You do know your shit I will give you that.

[Boostn]

i try hahaha

[slvrsrt4nj]

so basically the sct is more expensive but better. yet you cant fine tune it yourself on the fly. tune has to be emailed and then loaded into the sct. the dsport is cheaper but you gotta pay for tunes. but you can tune it yourself, which i prob. wouldnt try. i think dynoing either on my car, stock turbo and fuel, is useless. what am i gonna gain by a dyno tune a few hp prob. :rolleyes: so i guess i should save up and get the sct :dunno:

[Evolution IX]

so basically the sct is more expensive but better. yet you cant fine tune it yourself on the fly. tune has to be emailed and then loaded into the sct. the dsport is cheaper but you gotta pay for tunes. but you can tune it yourself, which i prob. wouldnt try. i think dynoing either on my car, stock turbo and fuel, is useless. what am i gonna gain by a dyno tune a few hp prob. :rolleyes: so i guess i should save up and get the sct :dunno:


"Flame Suit On" I personally do not like my car to be dyno tuned, unless the tuner is going to street tune the car after to make fine adjustments or if the tuner actually had a load dyno. Most of the dynos around here that I have been to are not load dynos and do not replicate the load that the car sees on the street.

I could honestly care the f**k less about dyno numbers. No my Cobra has not been on a dyno. Will I ever put it on maybe but all I care about is how well it runs on the street, and it runs damn good. The car was logged multiple times and everything is where it should be. Dyno racing is for pu**ies.

[Boostn]

so basically the sct is more expensive but better. yet you cant fine tune it yourself on the fly. tune has to be emailed and then loaded into the sct. the dsport is cheaper but you gotta pay for tunes. but you can tune it yourself, which i prob. wouldnt try. i think dynoing either on my car, stock turbo and fuel, is useless. what am i gonna gain by a dyno tune a few hp prob. :rolleyes: so i guess i should save up and get the sct :dunno:

For a stock turbo car? I wouldn't tune it at all. Throw a wastegate on it bump the boost to 18 lbs intercooler exhaust suspension slicks done. Afr will be lean enough to make power and rich enough to be safe with a stock fuel system. I had all that done to my car and barely needed to tune it on a dtec. It was really pointless to put the returnline on it in the first place and even more pointless to tune it.

[Boostn]

"Flame Suit On" I personally do not like my car to be dyno tuned, unless the tuner is going to street tune the car after to make fine adjustments or if the tuner actually had a load dyno. Most of the dynos around here that I have been to are not load dynos and do not replicate the load that the car sees on the street.
I could honestly care the f**k less about dyno numbers. No my Cobra has not been on a dyno. Will I ever put it on maybe but all I care about is how well it runs on the street, and it runs damn good. The car was logged multiple times and everything is where it should be. Dyno racing is for pu**ies.

x m f'in 2 couldn't agree more

[slvrsrt4nj]

:weee: ahhhh well now im lost. i will agree dyno #'s mean nothing. i could care less what my car dyno's. im worried about track times and how my car pulls n runs on the street. im on stock fuel. agp wga 18 psi, maxxfab 3" see, tein s tech springs, tial bov, bfmic, dr's etc and im stuck in the 13s. trying to hit high 12's. thought about meth, tune, fuel return line, pump etc etc just something to push me into the 12s :rolleyes:

[SRT4Trb0]

if it were me, i'd do the SCT. spend more money up front, but most likely end up saving in the long run.

[Boostn]

thought about meth, tune, fuel return line, pump etc etc just something to push me into the 12s :rolleyes:

Whats the point? This has been discussed 4 million times about how much boost to run the stock turbo on. Why waste all that money to only run the same boost?

If i where you i would save up and throw a stage 3 delta on the car or something similiar hit 12s with no sweat and not worry about a 12 second pass on a stock turbo.

[Boostn]

going sct on a stock turbo car is like putting an ems on a stock turbo car its just plain stupid.

[SRT4Trb0]

going sct on a stock turbo car is like putting an ems on a stock turbo car its just plain stupid.
agreed.

[slvrsrt4nj]

Whats the point? This has been discussed 4 million times about how much boost to run the stock turbo on. Why waste all that money to only run the same boost?
If i where you i would save up and throw a stage 3 delta on the car or something similiar hit 12s with no sweat and not worry about a 12 second pass on a stock turbo.

thats what my friend with a 1g 40r talon said :rolleyes: i guess ill need to learn to drive on slicks or dr's if i wana hit 12s stock turbo. for now my problem is money.. i woulda ordered a s3d kit months ago but im broke :sota: guess i gotta start saving...

[Boostn]

i love talons

[SRT4Trb0]

i love talons
agreed.

[Frodo]

hey dude who cant get in the 12s, problem is not with the amount of mods you have, i was running high 12s with that setup, learn how to drive.

and frank i know joe said it but sct cannot be adjusted by the user unless they have the software which i believe is $1000+. and the DSP can be adjusted by any idiot that has $375, like this dude with the silver car

[Frodo]

no offense

[Munky]

:lolatu:

[slvrsrt4nj]

keep talking $hit... ask steve if i can drive.. he'll tell you... he ran his mouth to me and i shut him the f*ck up at the track.. beat him TWICE IN A ROW! now how ya gonna act..........:cool:

[SRT4Trb0]

:liar: vids or it never happened.

[Munky]

:liar: vids or it never happened.
QFT! Seriously...this kids getting all :sota: right away. I bet he's sitting at home dressed like this too...


http://www.ffxils.ca/ethug2.jpg

[SRTkid89]

For a stock turbo car? I wouldn't tune it at all. Throw a wastegate on it bump the boost to 18 lbs intercooler exhaust suspension slicks done. Afr will be lean enough to make power and rich enough to be safe with a stock fuel system. I had all that done to my car and barely needed to tune it on a dtec. It was really pointless to put the returnline on it in the first place and even more pointless to tune it.
so joe your saying i shouldnt even bother tuning it? i was thinking i should cause im running pig rich i did a 3rd gear pull the other day to check my afr and my wideband read a 10.5 then went up to 10.7 and 10.8 at redline...they say stage 2 makes the car run a little richer than normal so i figured if i lean it out just a lil bit that it would be better

[Frodo]

so joe your saying i shouldnt even bother tuning it? i was thinking i should cause im running pig rich i did a 3rd gear pull the other day to check my afr and my wideband read a 10.5 then went up to 10.7 and 10.8 at redline...they say stage 2 makes the car run a little richer than normal so i figured if i lean it out just a lil bit that it would be better
are you running s2 controlled boost? if you are i would throw either sct or dsp on there and lean it out alot. a s1 wga set up is different bec you can just turn up the boost to lean it out. but since you have s2, let the s2 control the boost and lean it out and add timing with the tuner

[SRTkid89]

are you running s2 controlled boost? if you are i would throw either sct or dsp on there and lean it out alot
no its not on pcm controlled boost

[Frodo]

i would put the vac lines back to stock and use a tuner, you will have more power with better drivability. you wont lean it out enough with s2 just by turning up boost, i tried, i was running 22psi on stock turbo still in the 10:1 afr range

[Evolution IX]

keep talking $hit... ask steve if i can drive.. he'll tell you... he ran his mouth to me and i shut him the f*ck up at the track.. beat him TWICE IN A ROW! now how ya gonna act..........:cool:


You can't drive like Steve. And for the record the SRT was the easiest car to power shift and or speed shift.

[boostedneon04]

You can't drive like Steve. And for the record the SRT was the easiest car to power shift and or speed shift.

id like to see his driver mod in an 03 cobra so i can laugh my ass off :rofl:

[SRTkid89]

i would put the vac lines back to stock and use a tuner, you will have more power with better drivability. you wont lean it out enough with s2 just by turning up boost, i tried, i was running 22psi on stock turbo still in the 10:1 afr range
ok thanks andy ill do that

[Boostn]

what andy said s2 is alot different then a stock fuel system

[slvrsrt4nj]

u guys are all shot.. idk y im wasting my time.. i know joe n frodo know what their talking about. i still got the slips from when i beat steve if u fags care. yea mike jones 03 04 cobras are hard to drive.. i know this.. and yes an srt4 is an easy car to drive its wrong wheel drive :rofl: . your not proving any points. i KNOW i can drive. my last srt4.. intake 3"tb bfmic hks bov kinetic wga stage 1 pep boys tires... 2.00 60' and 13.09 @ 106. problem is this car sat for 2 years before i bought it and has NEVER pulled hard since i bought it. basically same mods n im stuck at 13.35 @ 106 on the stock bfgs. everyone said i should be happy with that and im not. i think i should be 12.9 12.8. guess i need to try slicks :dunno: or practice more on the dr's......

[Frodo]

your trap speed is the same, you should def be able to get down to the 12.9 area i am assuming you have done the basics like boost leak check? i was able to get a 12.6 with a 106 trap.


ps we are all just a bunch of ball busters, hope you know that

[Evolution IX]

ps we are all just a bunch of ball busters, hope you know that



Key Point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[boostedneon04]

Key Point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
yes very key

[SRTkid89]

your trap speed is the same, you should def be able to get down to the 12.9 area i am assuming you have done the basics like boost leak check? i was able to get a 12.6 with a 106 trap.
damn...i was trapping at 107 last night and my best run was a 13.6 with a 2.1 60'....all season tires ftl!! i need to get tires that stick better lol

[Munky]

ps we are all just a bunch of ball busters, hope you know that

Key Point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

yes very key
I dunno what you guys are talking about but I'm very cereal in all the comments I make here.





































:fryparanoid:

[boostedneon04]

I dunno what you guys are talking about but I'm very cereal in all the comments I make here.
:fryparanoid:
i was just trying to be nice hahahah:rolleyes:

[Munky]

:lolatu:

[slvrsrt4nj]

your trap speed is the same, you should def be able to get down to the 12.9 area i am assuming you have done the basics like boost leak check? i was able to get a 12.6 with a 106 trap.


ps we are all just a bunch of ball busters, hope you know that

no i havent done a boost leak check. dont have 1 nor do i know anyone around here with one. so im beat lol i would like to check it. i check my car almost everyday. other night i check/tightened my tial, cold side pipe, hot side pipe, exhaust and intake mani, clamp on the hot side right off the turbo. car boosts ok and pulls eh for stock turboback. i need to get a quieter 3" tb maxxfab see ftw but 2 loud :rolleyes:

[H.T. SRT]

damn...i was trapping at 107 last night and my best run was a 13.6 with a 2.1 60'....all season tires ftl!! i need to get tires that stick better lol

Stock suspension FTL for me.. :sota:

Its funny though that when the cutout was closed i wheelhopped like crazy and couldnt get off the line for Crap. Then when i opened it up, I got better 60fts, with little wheel hop, and picked up 2+ MPH in my trapped speed.. Lol, my car is wierd. All i know is that after last night i need new tires, brakes, axle seal, drive belts, and rear strut or 2 that is starting to make nosies now when i hit bumps.. :(

Regardless, 2 or 3 of those match races against u were fender an fender. Lol good runs. And fail to that black 06 Evo with a TBE that was running 14.8's all night..

[SRTkid89]

Stock suspension FTL for me.. :sota:
Its funny though that when the cutout was closed i wheelhopped like crazy and couldnt get off the line for Crap. Then when i opened it up, I got better 60fts, with little wheel hop, and picked up 2+ MPH in my trapped speed.. Lol, my car is wierd. All i know is that after last night i need new tires, brakes, axle seal, drive belts, and rear strut or 2 that is starting to make nosies now when i hit bumps.. :(
Regardless, 2 or 3 of those match races against u were fender an fender. Lol good runs. And fail to that black 06 Evo with a TBE that was running 14.8's all night..
true true

[PhillyLS1]

This is always the problem with the SRT-4 community, topic starts out great then there is a big dick competition in the middle.

I'm fucking trying to learn about the DSP and there's all this bullshit in here.

My 0.02 (these are my experiences w/ my other cars):
If you don't tune your car on a dyno, you're fk'n crazy.
Handheld tuners usually suck (that's why I am researching) however, MAILORDER tunes are even worse. So if you have to load a mailorder tune in for it to work, then there's your sign.

screw it I'll make another thread. Sorry I'm cranky.