need help crashed C.E.

[LCsrtRACER]

hey guys well to bring u up to speed last nite i crashed my C.E. srt4. coming home from a gathering i was driving down los angeles crest mountain *pretty narrow canyon way* n it had just finished raining. well i was going only about 20 to 30 mph cuz i didnt feel like racing down it w/ passengers in the car but halfway down i went into a right turn n hit some kind of *bump/pothole or rock* n it caused my front end to bounce up during the turn which sent my car into a semi slide. i tried counter steering *not knowing that i had no traction due to the bounce* n the out of nowhere the car sling shotted to the left head into the canyon wall which then bounced back to the other canyon wall which did one more 180 to finish. after getting out i noticed my passenger side wheel had ripped off and was near the first initial hit. funny thing is that it wasnt a direct impact to the wheel. i later noticed that the rim had literaly just cracked in a complete circle n broken off. my driver side started to do the same cracking int he same pattern but did not break off. there was no bend to show force to the tires. so im not sure y it is made so poorly. im trying to figure out if that might have been the cause of the crash n if so can i pursue legal actions. any help from u guys would be great. also imma post the rest of the pics of the car so lemme know if u guys think it might be totaled cuz im really not sure. i cant pop my hood but when looking through the gaps it looks like all the damage stopped at the intercooler n did not touch the engine. thanks

btw everyone in the accident was ok. no injurys just really sore.

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and heres the driver side that started to crack in the same pattern
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remains of the passenger side tire
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/ktownguy82/Picture073.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/ktownguy82/Picture074.jpg

n the rest of the car now
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[acemp87]

ouch that suck. I heard something about when your car gets damaged due to pot holes or poor roads the city is responsible for your car. You have to take pictures of the road and go on form there. An attoney might be a good idea.

[HunterSwift]

thats sucks, i just saw that car on friday too. good luck, i hope it works out. As for legal reason, i would think if you could convincethat the tire fell off before the crash (no matter how pothole, made craftman ship, etc) it would work more for you.

[m0r3b00st]

dAMN THIS REALLY SUX BRO..... hope ur ok, is the insurance gonna take care of this??? I know it will be hard to find another CE, but at least you might be able to get a new car.

[Energized]

just thank god your front crash bar was there. most of us with large front mounts are running without any.

[hozay09]

OMG, do you realize what you've done!!! your gonna burn in hell for crashing a CE! :grim:

just kidding, REALLY sorry to hear about this. Thanks good ness your ok.

[TopOfNewYork]

damn that was a real bad crash

hope everyone else in the car is also ok

[JuanDirtyMessican]

Damn bro that sucks. I've been up and down that mountain a bunch of times in my ACR...As a matter of fact I was up there last weekend. Where did you lose it at? I've gone all the way up to Mount Wilson. Those are some dirty roads up there toward Mount Wilson. man...

[turboknee]

damn thats really sucks.....what ins co. do you have?


btw what is a CE?

[hozay09]

damn thats really sucks.....what ins co. do you have?


btw what is a CE?

Commerative Edition. 1 of only 200 made.

[Zero46]

poor lil fellar

[turboknee]

i knew the E meant edition....can't believe i couldn't fiogger out the C....wow i never even heard of em....*googles*

[LCsrtRACER]

well imma find out if the insurance will pay tomorrow. they should since i have ful coverage. but obviously if its totaled ima loose my commemorative. talked to a few ppl on srtforums n they are putting money that my car is totaled. they said esp. since my airbags blew it should be but im hoping not! what u guys think? totaled? or salvageable?

[LCsrtRACER]

oh yea i have wawanesa ins. just signed up w/ them too so hopefully they take care of me. otherwise im switching to geico! j/p

[turboknee]

oh yea i have wawanesa ins. just signed up w/ them too so hopefully they take care of me. otherwise im switching to geico! j/p


wawanesa sucks at claims...but they have to cover you regardless of fault....its collision covg so you'll have to pay a deductible...dunno if you can get away w/ a non fault accident...potholes are tricky to prove and usually at fault collision losses...Geico is way better...switch now...regardless of cost


p.s. yer car is totalled...sorry...getting another srt?

[LCsrtRACER]

just out of curiousity how do u determine that its totalled? i mean the damage doesnt look as bad as other totalled cars i've seen. im not a claims adjuster so i dont know the guidlines they go by.

[HunterSwift]

sad thing is you still had paper plates. how long had you had it?

[LCsrtRACER]

sad thing is you still had paper plates. how long had you had it?

exactly 2 months now. squeezed 5k miles out of it. *sigh* someone give me some good news pls! everyone keeps saying its totalled so now its gettin depressing. but yea not sure if i will try n buy a new car after this. imma probably just stick w/ my integra for a while

[HunterSwift]

"Air bags are expensive, so "a lot of lower-cost vehicles get totaled because of air-bag deployment," says John Eager, senior director of claims services for the National Association of Independent Insurers. He added: "You can spend $3,300 just for the air-bag system alone."" from

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:-qiKss-VGW8J:www.jameshoyer.com/news_wreck.html+insurance+total+loss+california+ai r+bags&hl=en

[SRTpusher]

get on I10 and head east until you get to san antonio, take I 35 north, exit judson road. proceed to stop light, go past stoplight and enter the 2nd dealership (dodge, duh) on the right. ask for fred garza and tell them you want #166

[LCsrtRACER]

thanx for all your help guys. i did some research n it does look like my car is totaled. thanx to hunterswift i found out that they ins. co. actually profits from my totaled car so shit. i doubt they will pay for it. its gotta be at least 10 to 15g's worth of damage on my car. so guess thats it for me. thanks again for all ure help.

[HunterSwift]

but hey heres hope:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-SRT-4-SRT4-Neon-Passenger-Airbag_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33719QQitemZ8007 177645QQrdZ1

[jmcmil6]

sorry to tell you bro, but yeah im pretty sure they're gonna total it.. honestly it wouldnt take "too" much to fix that car, but you have to remember the determination comes from lames.... i dont kno if you have seen my car.. but my trans exploded and "supposedly" my motor blew.. and the dealer is giving me a quote somewhere in the $16k range..= ridiculous...

but keep your head up.. all is not lost...personally if you can pin it on the city go for it.. but i would start saving my chips and if/when the insurance considers it a loss and they pay the car off.. buy it back from your insurance co.. for like a thousand bucks.... then you can fix it up yourself for alot cheaper than they quoted you or you can put that bad boy on ebay and pay the rest of your loan off and then some.....

ps sorry to hear what happened.. glad ur ok... trust me bro.. it could always be worse... saw ur car out there last friday.. first CE i've ever seen.. or ever heard of .. lol

[oo3menace]

Commerative Edition. 1 of only 200 made.

Only one of *199* made now. :( Just kidding.

That really sucks man, hope you find another one.

[Vade46]

I crashed mine about a year and a half ago, basically when they first came out. It came to be about $11-12,000 in damage but was not considered totalled because the car had not depreciated much in value yet and was still worth about $18-19,000 through Kelly Blue Book. I think they said It had to be about $16,000 in damage to total it. You also need to think about how much the car is worth compared to how much you still owe on it because unless you have "gap" insurance on the car you will have to still pay the remainder of what you owe on the car which could be more than what the insurance co. gives you.

[htheduck]

Sorry for your loss & glad you're ok. (Incredible how that wheel broke :eek:). If you decide to part out-please keep us posted.

[Co Pilot]

Not to be a dick, but i hope they total it for your sake. Ask Nolimits. He got into a real bad accident and they fixed it for him. He has had problems ever since. If they fix it and you never have problems, ill gladly bite my own words, and i hope that's the case.

And to answer your question...totaling a car is determined if the repair cost is more then the value of the car. I saw a few people trying to explain it with #'s, but that is the word defination.

[LCsrtRACER]

thanx fellas im on the phone wid thm so we will see wat happens

[E-Police CA]

Angeles Crest has taken a few lives. Glad everyone is ok. Good thing another car wasn't making it's way around the corner. Go get a copy of the accident report from the CHP or Sheriffs. If the primary collision factor is 22350 CVC it means you're at fault.

With the ground being wet, Signs posted re: falling debris and slippery when wet they might say that you were driving at an unsafe speed. I've driven the route before and I've seen the signs. Guys don't get all pissed just giving honest information based on experience.

Any speed greater than that which exceeds the tires capabilities even if below the posted speed limit is unsafe. All of the solo collisions that I've encountered and written have been the drivers fault. Drunk driver into a tree killing his wife, Crashing into light stands, Crashing into walls, Crashing into parked cars, Crashing into a "roll off" trash bin (Fatal Suicide) and Solo vehicle Roll overs on wet streets. Hope things work out....L8:bigthumb:

[LCsrtRACER]

Angeles Crest has taken a few lives. Glad everyone is ok. Good thing another car wasn't making it's way around the corner. Go get a copy of the accident report from the CHP or Sheriffs. If the primary collision factor is 22350 CVC it means you're at fault.

With the ground being wet, Signs posted re: falling debris and slippery when wet they might say that you were driving at an unsafe speed. I've driven the route before and I've seen the signs. Guys don't get all pissed just giving honest information based on experience.

Any speed greater than that which exceeds the tires capabilities even if below the posted speed limit is unsafe. All of the solo collisions that I've encountered and written have been the drivers fault. Drunk driver into a tree killing his wife, Crashing into light stands, Crashing into walls, Crashing into parked cars, Crashing into a "roll off" trash bin (Fatal Suicide) and Solo vehicle Roll overs on wet streets. Hope things work out....L8:bigthumb:

yea i should do that. there are no signs around the area where i got into the accident. but i know wat ure talking about. so they most likely will put it on me. one of the cops before even taking the report was calling it in as me "hauling ass down the mountain" so im sure they are assuming i was racing. sux. i know theres alot of accidents but damn dont assume. there were 3 other accidentst that same night n one was in the exact same spot as me! * i found that out the next day* but yea claim agent wont even call me for another 3 days so i gotta wait but imma be out of town in stockten so iono how its gonna work out. guess we'll see

[E-Police CA]

I do have a question. Were any of your front tires blown out? Did you go back to find the cause/rock/pothole? I will say that's a little freeky how the front wheels broke and cracked. Usually if you hit a rock hard enough to do this damage the tire will blow out......

[E-Police CA]

yea i should do that. there are no signs around the area where i got into the accident. but i know wat ure talking about. so they most likely will put it on me. one of the cops before even taking the report was calling it in as me "hauling ass down the mountain" so im sure they are assuming i was racing. sux. i know theres alot of accidents but damn dont assume. there were 3 other accidentst that same night n one was in the exact same spot as me! * i found that out the next day* but yea claim agent wont even call me for another 3 days so i gotta wait but imma be out of town in stockten so iono how its gonna work out. guess we'll see

I would find out the report #'s for those people and see If they claim the same thing. 3 in one day with the same claim as to how they crashed is good for you...... Don't feel bad most of us have crashed or will crash one day. Just a part of driving....

[LCsrtRACER]

I would find out the report #'s for those people and see If they claim the same thing. 3 in one day with the same claim as to how they crashed is good for you...... Don't feel bad most of us have crashed or will crash one day. Just a part of driving....

will they release that informatin to me?and how will that help me?

[LCsrtRACER]

I do have a question. Were any of your front tires blown out? Did you go back to find the cause/rock/pothole? I will say that's a little freeky how the front wheels broke and cracked. Usually if you hit a rock hard enough to do this damage the tire will blow out......

oh and no the tires did not blow at all. they just ripped off! n ppl are saying from direct impact but i honestly dont know how when i went head into the canyon wall. also i did go back n could not find potholes so im sure it was rocks. after the accident there were huge rocks scattered everywhere but at the time i had no camera. n going bck the next day it was all cleaned up

[turboknee]

hey i got good news...lol i'm an auto insurance claims examiner if you haven't noticed that yet...i just got a claim assigned to jme today...pothole loss....and yes...not at fault....lol this is my first pothole loss since i started working claims so its pretty ironic....but you should be ok if yer ins co doesn;t suck too bad....and wawanese is cheap...but crappy unfortunately

[jmcmil6]

hey i got good news...lol i'm an auto insurance claims examiner if you haven't noticed that yet...i just got a claim assigned to jme today...pothole loss....and yes...not at fault....lol this is my first pothole loss since i started working claims so its pretty ironic....but you should be ok if yer ins co doesn;t suck too bad....and wawanese is cheap...but crappy unfortunately

yeah that is coincidence... what a trip..

[LCsrtRACER]

damn y couldnt u be assigned to me! lol hope i get a srt enthusiast lol. its definitely not lookin good tho.

[turboknee]

damn y couldnt u be assigned to me! lol hope i get a srt enthusiast lol. its definitely not lookin good tho.


lol cuz i don't work for that crappy broker company you decided to pay cheap premiums for hehe j/k i'd have them too prolly if i didn't have 5 points on my record...btw....that pothole loss i got today...it was only $1,700 dmg...opened the claim and closed same day...this is the fastest i have ever had a claim complete too...i never even did anything on it lol...

[jmcmil6]

you kno i was w/ one of those "iffy" insurance co's and i switched to state farm.. and they were actually cheaper!.. but then again im about to turn 25 too ;)

[Ferndogg]

I feel like crying now.

[thecoop]

I hate to be a party pooper, but those wheels, well. You can definately see the impact mark on the driver side wheel where the wheel itself impacted somehow and got pushed in, thus destroying it.

Yeah, it does look like a dead-on frontal collision, with no side damage near the wheels so how it ocurred is beyond me.

The wheel that is completely broken off, you can see scratches in the paint of the portion that is still on the car, so it contacted something.

I can only assume the wheels themselves did make contact with the canyon wall. What put you there though is another storey. I don't think you have any claim with Chrysler for faulty wheels. Looks like a nice clean break to me, from impact, and from any pre existing condition with the wheels.

You'll likely be accused of exceeding the speed limit, or driving too fast for the conditions. Water on the road + gravel is a bad mix. Especially if it rained only for a short time, makes for slippery conditions. I'd imagine in a canyon like that, with both sides having exposed rock faces, that there's a lot of rock dust that ends up on the road as silt, and when that gets wet...y'know.

Is the car a writeoff? Well, judging by the damage, it looks mostly cosmtetic from where I sit. If there's structural damage, that's another storey.

You might be looking at structural damage around the engine bay. That's costly to straighten out. That kind of damage to the wheels takes quite an impact to have ocurred and has likely damaged the struts, or the control arms at least.

How much do these wheels cost to replace? My '97 bubble alloys back in 1999 cost $350 to repplace when I hit a curb. How much do these struts cost to replace?

I once slowly slid into a curb at an angle (facing right) with the sheels turned slightly to the right as well. I bent the lip on the wheel, and bent the strut and control arm. That alone, with no body damage was $1800 at the dealer. Once gor rear-ended with damage much like your quarter panel damage, and needed the bumper cover replaced and rear panel behing the bumper replaced. That cost $2200.

But your car is near-new, they likely won't write it off.

Coop

[N20Jeep]

i have never seen wheels break like that without the tire blowing.....



good luck with the claim

[thecoop]

FWIW, here's another SRT with a broken wheel http://www.canadatrader.com/result/detailinfo.aspx?ID=10986576&pgno=3&srt=1

[05redSRT4]

Dam That Suck Yo Must Have Bin Crying.. But Youre Still Alive And Thats The Good Thing\
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It Was Nice
P.s.s Since Im New To Srt Fam. I Was Gonna Buy The C.e. And The Dealer Is All Like You Dont Whant That Ugly Wight One So I Dint Get It. I Hate You Sales Man!!!!!!