Req: Coilover comparisons...

[Sota]

I'd like to see people's opinions and experiences with the various coilover setups. Examples...

Mopar Stage 3
Tien
Megan Racing
etc.

Pros, cons, comparison to stock or previous setups, adjustability, ride height, etc. Don't forget to include your wheel/tire setup as well as any other suspension related changes you may have made like sway bars, bushings, etc. as they also are a factor in the results.

Thanks!

Mod: possibly change the title of this thread after it gets going.

[Munky]

IPP 36 way adjustables. TEH SUX0R!!! Ride quality is garbage and they bounce more than a superball in a rubber room. Stock tires and rims and they still ride like ass. Only good thing about them is you can give your car that F&F look by slamming it to the ground. :woot:

[hozay09]

I'll do two comparison's since I own(ed) two.

Image Performance Products (IPP) Non-Dampening Height Adjustable C/O's
Used with both stock wheels/tires & 17x7 Exel Speeds wrapped w/ Nankang 215/45/17 tires.

Pros:
Affordable
Raise & Lower car as high & as low as wanted

Cons:
Spring rates designed for Honda Civic
Very uncomfortable for rough roads
No Dampening adjustment (although available in higher model)
Lock rings will freeze up sometimes
No pillow mount must use stock

Tein SuperStreet aka Tein SS
Used with both 17x7 kyora wheels Bridgestone Blizzack 205/50/17 tires & 18x7.5 MB Motoring weapon wheels Falken Azenis RT-615 235/40/18 tires

Pros:
Most comfortable ride IMO
32 way dampening adjustment
Full height adjustment
Excellent warranty
Tein SS-P available with camber adjustable pillowmounts

Cons:
Expensive - avg cost $1350
SS model does not include Camber adj. pillowmounts

[sriquixotic]

anyone have experience with kw coilovers?

http://www.kw-suspension.com/en/30_Products/60_Product_Finder/index.php?modell_1=Neon&level=3&hersteller_1=DODGE&gruppe=all

also how comfortable can the tein ss get Hozay? anywhere near a lexus heh

[oo3menace]

The KW Coilovers are the Mopar coilovers. KW makes the supsension components for Mopar. Their name branded version probably has slight adjustments to the ones offered as Mopar. I have the Mopar Stage 3's and they are just as comfortable as the Tein SS IMO. I own the S3's and I've been in two cars w/ the Teins. I love my Mopar Satge 3's and if given the chance to do it again I wouldn't get any others. Stage 3 CO's are ride height adjustable (can be slammed upon removal of stop rings) and has damper adjustments as well.

[Sota]

I know I've been leaning towards the Megan Racing because of their massive adjustability in dampening (36 points iirc) and the camber adjustable pillowball mounts, but if the Tien SS-P's do the same it'll come down to things like warranty and reliability.

[DaFlyyOnDaWall]

i have IPP 36's on my car and have been in a ride wit Tein SS's a few times. It's hard to say which is better because they are both so adjustable. When i first set mine up it was bouncy as hell. Same as how the Tein SS car rides now. I've now adjusted mine to be stiffer but wit big bumps it's killer. Next weekend I'll try to find a better compromise.

It all matters how u adjust spring height, strut length, and dampening. It's trial and error.

[hozay09]

I would never compare the IPP's to the Tein's. It's not even fair, trust me. IPP spring rates are for a honda civic. Not a Dodge Neon SRT-4. My car is far from bouncy, it depends on how you set them. If you have them as soft as Brad had them then yes your bouncing like your hittin' switches. :lol:

[DaFlyyOnDaWall]

I would never compare the IPP's to the Tein's. It's not even fair, trust me. IPP spring rates are for a honda civic. Not a Dodge Neon SRT-4. My car is far from bouncy, it depends on how you set them. If you have them as soft as Brad had them then yes your bouncing like your hittin' switches. :lol:

Rollin in my Six-Fo' and everybody sayin... :rofl:

Can't you order different spring direct from the company?

[illicitsrt]

I have Megan racing c/o. They ride fine, have a lot of adjustment which could also be a con because it will be a tough harder to dial them in at the track. But best for the money IMO.

[Sota]

I have Megan racing c/o. They ride fine, have a lot of adjustment which could also be a con because it will be a tough harder to dial them in at the track. But best for the money IMO.

Camber adjustable right? front and rear? what's the warranty.

[htheduck]

I have Megan racing c/o. They ride fine, have a lot of adjustment which could also be a con because it will be a tough harder to dial them in at the track. But best for the money IMO.
please expand, i would like to know what characteristics are a con.
thanks.

[hozay09]

http://www.meganracing.com/uploadImage/regular/SRT-4.jpg

http://www.meganracing.com/products/product_detail.asp?prodid=521&catid=93

[Sota]

please expand, i would like to know what characteristics are a con.
thanks.

:werd: Howard and I are looking for same or similar things.

[Sota]

Did anyone here get the BC Racing ones from PTP recently?

[illicitsrt]

The megan racing c/o do have the pillow ball adj in the front. They are 32 adj. Since I'm a track kind of guy only, with i might add no money lol, it's going to take some time for me to get the suspension dialed in to run the best times. There's a lot of gizmos and gadgets on the c/o. If that makes any sense.......

[htheduck]

The megan racing c/o do have the pillow ball adj in the front. They are 32 adj. Since I'm a track kind of guy only, with i might add no money lol, it's going to take some time for me to get the suspension dialed in to run the best times. There's a lot of gizmos and gadgets on the c/o. If that makes any sense.......
no. this explanation really doesn't add any more sense.

but then i have to ask, don't you make all your adjustments prior to going to the track?

if you're talking about a 1/4 drag strip and you swap springs between street and strip i can see that taking time-but again, you do that prior to the event...

do the megans have the same adjustabilty for both rebound AND compression? or just rebound?

if instead you're talking about corner weighing your car i can understand. different tracks are going to require different settings. dialing in can cost money-which you indicate you don't have.

i'm looking for answers to help my research. thanks.

[illicitsrt]

How can someone make adjustments before you are at the track? For one, you have to adjust individually for a particular track you go to and how it is running that particular day. Not everyone might be as worried about perfecting each pass as I am, all I'm saying is I want the best out of what I have without wasting time and money by making bullshit passes with a suspension that isnt properly adjusted. Therefore, yes it will be time consuming and a bit of pain since these c/o have unlimited adjustment. If that doesnt make sense, then you shouldnt race.

[Sota]

If that doesnt make sense, then you shouldnt race.
I love it when people make that statement. Immediately earns them an :asshat: award.

[htheduck]

How can someone make adjustments before you are at the track? For one, you have to adjust individually for a particular track you go to and how it is running that particular day. Not everyone might be as worried about perfecting each pass as I am, all I'm saying is I want the best out of what I have without wasting time and money by making bullshit passes with a suspension that isnt properly adjusted. Therefore, yes it will be time consuming and a bit of pain since these c/o have unlimited adjustment. If that doesnt make sense, then you shouldnt race.
what type of adjustments do you need to make?
i am not familiar with adjustments at a drag strip since i don't race.
thanks.

[illicitsrt]

So i'm an asshat for posting my opinion of a particular coilover and what is needed out of them to reach the upmost of their potential? This board is awesome

[htheduck]

So i'm an asshat for posting my opinion of a particular coilover and what is needed out of them to reach the upmost of their potential? This board is awesome
Asshat or not, some folks are asking some valid questions about your setup:

-you say there's lot's of adjustability which is a con, post #11 asks what kind pertaining to camber-NO ANSWER

-then in #16 you state the OBVIOUS: pillow ball, 32 way, gizmos, gadgets-and include the fact that you have no money

-i ask about why adjustments are a con, what type of adjustability for compression and rebound the Megans have (because i'm interested in feedback) and you proceed to tell us your how "worried about perfecting each pass"-more so than anyone and continue with some personal inefficiencies about your suspension setup. you then conclude by stating if what you type doesn't make sense, one shouldn't race.

-i ask another question #20 about what you do to adjust your suspension since I don't know what is entailed for drag racing. NO ANSWER.

You did reply to the asshat post with a greater interest than answering any of the posted questions.

[Sota]

So i'm an asshat for posting my opinion of a particular coilover and what is needed out of them to reach the upmost of their potential? This board is awesome

Your statement was unclear. It was that last line, as I indicated, that earns you an :asshat:. Comments like that diminish the value of your comments. There were also legitimate and clear questions asked that your statements afterwards neither answered nor added clarification to your previous statements.

While you may feel you have something to contribute, failing to do so in a manner others understand is ineffective. The clearer, more concise and precise you can make your communication, the more likely it will be effective.

[hozay09]

So i'm an asshat for posting my opinion of a particular coilover and what is needed out of them to reach the upmost of their potential? This board is awesome

Honestly, I can never understand why people are so quick to blame the board because 1 or 2 members disagree. :doh:

[htheduck]

No answers yet? This thread is killing my research.

[Sota]

:werd:

It's still down to BC, Megan or Tein. Whoever comes up with choices in springs, adjustability, front and rear pillowball mounts and an excellent warranty is going to win. I'd rather pay more and get everything I want then pay less and be unsatisfied, or worse dissatisfied.

[Rocco]

lol this is funny, and munky i have the ipps and you rode in my car and even asked me what coilovers i had because you were so surprised at how nicely my car rode, looks like you dont have them dialed in correctly mofo lol....i like my ipps, they are great for the street and the 1/4 mile strip, and im assuming a road course although ive never been to one with this car...a little harsh for someone who wants a lexus or cadillac type ride, but for anyone who is looking for some performance and understands that you must sacrifice some ride quality for some performance they are awesome

[PatNy]

I wanna get some 245's will the IPP's allow me to do so?

[Vade46]

No answers yet? This thread is killing my research.


I think what he is saying is that he doesn't want to tinker with them that much.......he would probably rather only have like a few different settings and choose which one rides best, instead of playing with a ton of different settings that might only make a very slight barely even noticeable change.

[Vade46]

I guess I'll jump in here and rep for the Mopar Stage 3 coilovers.........I have had them with stock rims on like 3 different sets of tires and my current setup of 18x7.5's with 225/40 Yokohama's. I also have Goldline camber bolts, F&R Sway Bars, F&R Strut Bars and soon to install a Polyurethane LCA bushing kit. I have had the Coilovers for about 3 years now and love them. The ride is excellent, I've never ridden in an SRT with other coilovers, but I've been in cars with almost every type of Springs and the ride is a thousand times better than any spring combo I've felt. On the street I've never even messed with any settings (other than height) I just set them up on the "middle" settings and left it at that. If I hit up the track, I'd probably mess with them though.

[SRT4Trb0]

so between bc inverted and megans c/o's..which would be my best bet? megans is $100 cheaper than the bc's...but is one better quality than the other?

[N2MB]

i havent rode in a car car with megan c/o's yet,the bc sports are a pretty decent coilover (so far). they come with pillowball mounts with camber plates which is nice.they are inexpensive when compared to tein or mopar.i wouldnt suggest dropping the car and going full stiff on these coilovers..you might lose a few fillings

ipp coilovers are the worst excuse for a strut.i would rather stick bubble gum in my wheel well and ride on that than to suffer and length of trip on those pieces of dung

tein ss...great coilovers.i had them on my car and loved them.they gave me exactly what i needed, room to fit a big slick and the ability to tune the suspension.i really liked having these

mopar stage 3r's , another awesome c/o.not much different from the tein

[SRT4Trb0]

i havent rode in a car car with megan c/o's yet,the bc sports are a pretty decent coilover (so far). they come with pillowball mounts with camber plates which is nice.they are inexpensive when compared to tein or mopar.i wouldnt suggest dropping the car and going full stiff on these coilovers..you might lose a few fillings
ipp coilovers are the worst excuse for a strut.i would rather stick bubble gum in my wheel well and ride on that than to suffer and length of trip on those pieces of dung
tein ss...great coilovers.i had them on my car and loved them.they gave me exactly what i needed, room to fit a big slick and the ability to tune the suspension.i really liked having these
mopar stage 3r's , another awesome c/o.not much different from the tein
are the tein's worth the extra cash over the bc's? i found the bc's brand new for 1000 even..tein ss's (no pillowball) for 1325...megans are 900

[EVOHntN]

Before i bought my coilovers i talked to the guy over at one of the places selling the bc coilovers... Comparing them to Megan Racing exterior wise they look the same but the internals of the BC coilovers are better and thats why they cost a lil more but all in all they are a better quality for the price.. I know a few people that bought them and love the ride...

[SRT4Trb0]

i'm between the bc sports and bc inverted..i've talked to a few people about it..it sounds liek the bc inverted aren't really necesary unless i'm like a hardcore autocross guy, which i'm not..i mean i def plan on trying it..but worth the extra $150 or no?

[EVOHntN]

i know people with the inverted that arent racers at all and love them for daily driving...

[hozay09]

Explain the need for inverted c/o's on daily driven car's please? Just not necessary..

Steve, if it were up to me Tein SS-P would be my choice. I had the Tein SS coilovers on my car as Jay did as well and absolutely loved them. The SS-P gives you the pillowmount option which is an added plus. It's a little more costly than the BC's but I feel worth the extra.

[SRT4Trb0]

Explain the need for inverted c/o's on daily driven car's please? Just not necessary..

Steve, if it were up to me Tein SS-P would be my choice. I had the Tein SS coilovers on my car as Jay did as well and absolutely loved them. The SS-P gives you the pillowmount option which is an added plus. It's a little more costly than the BC's but I feel worth the extra.
that was the thing..my knowledge of coilovers is not too good at all...about the teins...idk if i'd go for the tein ss-p's...if anything just the tein ss's. teins are very expensive but there obviously must be a reason since alot of people buy them. i have read alot of good things about bc's and i just thought i could save some $

[hozay09]

that was the thing..my knowledge of coilovers is not too good at all...about the teins...idk if i'd go for the tein ss-p's...if anything just the tein ss's. teins are very expensive but there obviously must be a reason since alot of people buy them. i have read alot of good things about bc's and i just thought i could save some $

You don't have to be an expert on coilovers.. I'm not. Just general knowledge & from experience myself. The Tein SS model is more than you'll need I can assure you. The SS-P is if you want to take it up a notch and get them w/ the mounts. I personally never experienced any problems with the SS's as have no one else I've known to own/owned them. I believe Frank had them on his old SRT as well correct?

[SRT4Trb0]

You don't have to be an expert on coilovers.. I'm not. Just general knowledge & from experience myself. The Tein SS model is more than you'll need I can assure you. The SS-P is if you want to take it up a notch and get them w/ the mounts. I personally never experienced any problems with the SS's as have no one else I've known to own/owned them. I believe Frank had them on his old SRT as well correct?
yup..he had the ss's...i'm just not sure if its worth the extra $400 when i hear good things about the bc sports..i mean boostn had the ss's and thinshadow has the bc inverted, which im sure the ride quality isnt much different if at all from the bc sports, i have been for a ride in both cars and i can hardly tell a difference

[DAROOKE]

Great thread with alot of usefull info. After i finish my aem standalone, fuel system, nitrous kit and roll cage this will be my next purchase.

[EVOHntN]

Explain the need for inverted c/o's on daily driven car's please? Just not necessary..
Steve, if it were up to me Tein SS-P would be my choice. I had the Tein SS coilovers on my car as Jay did as well and absolutely loved them. The SS-P gives you the pillowmount option which is an added plus. It's a little more costly than the BC's but I feel worth the extra.

There doesnt have to be a reason it was by choice that the person choose them... Ive drivin in the car with them all tuned in with a nice alignment the car handled and drove amazingly smooth... Its my :2cents: opinion nothing more.. In the end its ultimately his decision on which info he goes with or if he goes a whole seperate route altogether...:rolleyes:

[hozay09]

There doesnt have to be a reason it was by choice that the person choose them... Ive drivin in the car with them all tuned in with a nice alignment the car handled and drove amazingly smooth... Its my :2cents: opinion nothing more.. In the end its ultimately his decision on which info he goes with or if he goes a whole seperate route altogether...:rolleyes:

umm.. right.. no one argued the fact of whether it was opinion or not.. I was asking what was the need of having inverted coilovers on a daily driven car.

but thanks anyway.

[SRT4Trb0]

well i might be getting practically new bc inverted for 900 shipped..there is only 2k miles on them..if it doesnt fall through i'm just going to pick them up..haven't heard anything negative about this coilover..even though it may be overkill for what i'm using it for :dunno:

[N2MB]

inverted coilovers arguably are useless on this car.the only purpose of the inverted is to handle the side loads on the strut in hard cornering.unless you seriously whip that car around you wont benefit because you wont notice the difference.the only person that i might actually believe if they told me the inverted made a difference is maybe howard because he takes his in the twisties.(no howard im not looking for an explanation)

[SRT4Trb0]

inverted coilovers arguably are useless on this car.the only purpose of the inverted is to handle the side loads on the strut in hard cornering.unless you seriously whip that car around you wont benefit because you wont notice the difference.the only person that i might actually believe if they told me the inverted made a difference is maybe howard because he takes his in the twisties.(no howard im not looking for an explanation)
thanks jay..i realize that they may be practically useless but either way i don't think im going to pass up the deal

[htheduck]

inverted coilovers arguably are useless on this car.the only purpose of the inverted is to handle the side loads on the strut in hard cornering.unless you seriously whip that car around you wont benefit because you wont notice the difference.the only person that i might actually believe if they told me the inverted made a difference is maybe howard because he takes his in the twisties.(no howard im not looking for an explanation)
i doubt one could really tell the difference, unless they were a full time racer (aka, lots of consistent SEAT TIME with test/tuning in between laps) .

lateral loads and the fact that unsprung weight/mass is towards the body of the car, rather than near the wheels.

(i couldn't give an explanation if i tried jay)... :emb:

[Boostn]

Both our cars ride similiar, but I believe it's just how we have them setup stiffness/height wise. Go for the best deal you can get,I would have gotten either one.

[SRT4Trb0]

both vendors i am going through offers custom spring rates...if i am looking for a smooth ride, what should i get?

[SRT4Trb0]

went with the inverteds..tokicos going up for sale soon

[Boostn]

went with the inverteds..tokicos going up for sale soon

sweet dude :ugh2:

[SRT4Trb0]

sweet dude :ugh2:
didnt someone you know want their dtec fixed? and an stock o2 housing..and acr sways?

[bpsrt]

I've had a couple different setups under my car...

1. Tien S-Tech w/ stock struts...A little on th harsh side, but not too bad if you are on relatively smooth roads

2. IPP non-adjustable...The ride was downright harsh, I would only recommend these if you really do not care about ride quality and just want to slam the car

3. K-Sport 36 way adjustable...they are stiff, but I was able to find the settings that I like. These allow you to lower your car a large amount. They have pillowball mounts front and rear, and camber plates in the front. I don't really like the way the locknut and spanner wrench setup though.

My $.02...

[Boostn]

didnt someone you know want their dtec fixed? and an stock o2 housing..and acr sways?

:sad_pace:

P.S. You get a F in english as well.

[srtdominaton]

please expand, i would like to know what characteristics are a con.
thanks.

Megan Racing Coil-Over Dampers are the ultimate upgrade to your track or street car. Featuring 32 Levels of damper force adjustment, full-height adjustment, these damper kits are then perfectly matched with front and rear Pillow Ball upper mounts for camber correction in most applications.

The adjustment of the damper is as simple as can be with a built-in knob at the top of the damper mount for easy access. Simple adjustments can be made to tune to your style of driving and comfort level desired. Single-Adjustable dampers make suspension adjustments easy to tune whether you’re a professional mechanic or an automotive enthusiast with amateur mechanical skills.

The height adjustment is made easy with CNC-Machined locking perches for accuracy and smooth adjustment. You can raise your car up to factory height for OEM appearance with performance handling or you can drop your car all the way down for a formal racetrack and an aggressive stance lowering your center of gravity to gain full potential of your car’s handling capabilities.

On most applications, the Megan Racing Damper Kits come with fully adjustable Pillow-Ball upper mounts to easily tune and adjust your camber. Adjustable camber gives you an edge on most suspension setups, as you can easily tune your car for any ride height which improves handling, predictability and furthermore tire wear, which is a great benefit both on the racetrack and on the street.

The quality and durability of the Megan Racing Damper kits are unmatched. Made of extremely durable Steel and featuring springs that are constructed of SAE-9254 Cold-Wound Steel which are then tested over 500,000 times by compression inspection. With deformation less than 5% and high strength sophisticated surface coating, we stand by our product with our strong warranty.
Features:

- Spring Rates: 8kg Front and 6kg Rear

- 32 Levels of Adjustable Damper

- Pillow Ball Upper Mounts.

- Rubber Dust Covers.

- Adjustable Ride Height

- Aggressive Spring Rates

- Single-Cylinder Design

- Aluminum Brackets

32 Levels of Adjustment:

1-8: Suggested for track use.
9-16: Suggested for mountain/aggressive use.
17-32: Suggested for common street use.

- All coilover damper kits come with 1 year manufacture-defect warranty.

- All Hardware is Included

:)

[htheduck]

Megan Racing Coil-Over Dampers are the ultimate upgrade to your track or street car.......
ok. so you are able to cut and paste.

I have Megan racing c/o. They ride fine, have a lot of adjustment which could also be a con because it will be a tough harder to dial them in at the track. But best for the money IMO.
-no explanation yet as to why it's considered by this individual as a 'con'.

[srtdominaton]

ok. so you are able to cut and paste.


cuz i is speshull :rolleyes:

[htheduck]

thank you.